Hi, my name is Dr. Warrick Bishop and welcome to my podcast and videocastation. Today I've got a guest who's returning, Alistair Horscroft. Thank you so much for coming back. By way of a little bit of background, Alistair is a renaissance man. He's going through a rebirth himself and is evaluating what the next steps look like. But some of the past has been naturopathy. It's been nutrition. He's got an entrepreneurial interest. He's got an interest in psychology and psychological support. He's been called a street philosopher. And I know he's interested in also keeping fit and strong. Welcome, Al. How are you? Thanks, Warrick. Thanks so much for having me again. I thoroughly enjoyed our last chat. Look forward to this one. This one's going to be a little bit more body health than mind. But hey, they matched and meet, don't they? Absolutely. And look, it's been a pleasure to be in touch. For those who haven't listened to the first time that I had the chance to speak with Al, look it up. The easiest way to find a podcast is to go to my website and use the AI bot in the bottom right-hand corner. Put in there Al's details and the podcast episodes will come up and you can have a listen. And look, since we first caught up, and that was thanks to the introduction through my brother, Al and I have kept in touch. And on this occasion, we're going to be talking about proteins, protein powder, amino acid powder, and, you know, supplementing to try and keep strong. So a lot of people talk about protein powder. Al, why is it such a big deal? Well. I think I realized it was such a big deal, Warrick, after I suffered the consequences of perhaps too long being a vegetarian and a vegan. Back in the day, I had a meat-centric diet. And then around my teenage years, as we do, we want to fight the powers that be and stand up for a cause. And we get that kind of teenage information from other teenagers. I was listening to maybe too much of the Smiths and, you know, meat became murder, really. And so I kind of really went in onto the vegan bandwagon and the school I was at was actually vegetarian. My parents went vegetarian. And looking back, I think I really struggled. You know, I was a very high caliber athlete at the time. You know, people, you know, and I think I never met or achieved my outcome. And I think if I look back, it was due to a lack of protein. That's the honest truth of the matter. And so when I returned to eating meat again and focusing on protein, and back then it was protein powder, whey protein powder. I found a significant leap, obviously, in exercise capacity, sporting capacity, thought process. And it was just so obvious to me that that had been the missing macro for me. Alongside, if I look back again, probably an excess of carbohydrate as well. As you get older, obviously, when I was young, you could burn anything. But as I kind of started hitting mid-20s, early 30s, even the carbs started becoming an interesting factor. So for those listening, some of the things that you would be relating to are where proteins are key right throughout the body. They're almost every structural component of our tissues, from muscles to bones to you name it. Hair starts life as a protein. Everything is really structurally surrounding proteins, which probably means that... we do need to consume a certain amount on a regular basis. Do you know, can you give people any guidance about how much people should be eating when it comes to protein? Like is a steak a week enough or should you have a piece of chicken every other day? How do you think about that these days, Al? Well, look, as I said, you know, I was a naturopath and studied nutrition back in London, but that was like over, I mean, probably nearly 25 years ago. I'm retraining now. And it's interesting kind of retraining, you know, I'm mid through. you know, becoming a registered nutritionist in Australia. And yeah, there are certain standards that they have. But you go on to an average podcast, you talk to carnivores, you talk to ketos, you talk to standard American diet, you know, and everyone has a different kind of version of that. And I think that's true, because I think the supporting nutrients, be the carbohydrates or fats, do actually kind of to a degree influence, you know, your protein intake. But most importantly, is the quality of that protein would also be indicative of the grammage of protein. So let's say the average thing that most kind of bodybuilders or even weekend warriors or gym goers go, you know, you go to a nutritionist and they're going to say kind of one gram per pound of body weight. Yeah. And that is your aimed for body weight. So say for example, you're 200 pounds and you're aiming to be 170 pounds, then you'd want 170 grams of protein. Yeah. So a lot of people think it might be 200, but it's not. So you're going for the grammage per pound of your ideal body weight that you're aiming for. Okay. But I'll jump in there briefly. Do you have a metric measure on that, a gram per? Well, if we turn it to kilos, you kind of nearly half it, and don't you, just under half it. So it would be kind of 90 kilos is about 200 pounds, so you're using 0.5 per kilo. Approximately. Yeah. But I think the interesting thing there, Warren, is I think a really interesting thing to understand about protein is, in many ways i don't think about protein in the way that other people think about protein i think about protein as a vehicle that carries amino acids so for me it's amino acids that are most important thing not the protein per se yeah a protein is a kind of a chain of amino acids and so every protein structure as you said before you know proteins make up our muscles and our bones we're all aware of that but people are less aware that amino acids make up hormones enzymes even many of our neurotransmitters you see and so when we think about a protein it's very generic but when we think about amino acids we can be potentially a little bit more targeted and also understand absorption rates and that kind of stuff so think of every protein you eat from an egg to a protein powder to a steak to your legumes are carriers of amino acids and the question we have to ask is is how many amino acids do they carry and are they good carriers of amino acids yeah okay and look uh it's As you were talking, it's likely the case that as we consume proteins, in fact, the acid in our stomach and the proteinases produced by our pancreas, they're actually breaking those proteins down to those amino acid structures so they can be more readily absorbed through the body. And I guess that the body uses amino acids. It doesn't take pieces of protein and try and incorporate that into what the body's trying to build. So focus on amino acid makes perfect sense, actually. Well, let's take, for example, collagen. You know, collagen is, you know, the big thing at the moment. Everyone's consuming vast amounts of collagen. But collagen isn't a complete protein structure. You know, it misses kind of tryptophan, you know, as an essential amino acid and also has low amounts of other, you know, essential aminos that aren't in high enough quantities to really allow it to be a full, you know, essential amino acid, you know. taking huge amounts of collagen thinking that you're taking huge amounts of protein for example is an error in thought yeah um and so i know a lot of people for example in the gym or ladies who are trying to up their protein intake because it's well known that i think about 50 i mean look the site again it depends what stats you're saying Warrick this is what's so tricky about it but i think it would be much more than the 15 or 20 percent of women are low in protein i would say it would be significantly higher than that but hey let's you know let's just throw it out there i think that most people are actually low in protein to be honest regardless of what the the research or the stats show it's just what you're comparing against but let's say for example women are using collagen as their protein supplement that is an error of thought because it is not a complete protein supplement yeah so it might be improving your skin to a degree but it might not be helping the other areas of your body like hormones you know bone neurotransmitters yeah and so Look, I think this distinction between consumption of protein and consumption of amino acid is super important. No question that there's some level of protein deficiency or amino acid deficiency consumption across the community for various reasons, probably from dietary choices. You alluded to a vegan or vegetarian-style diet. That could contribute as well. As people change and get older, do they have a greater requirement for protein? Do they become less efficient at absorbing amino acids and proteins and therefore require a top up? What's your understanding there? I'm asking because I've sort of heard that as a passing comment and be interested in your thoughts. So there's a word called sarcopenia. I believe that's how you pronounce it. Forgive me if I haven't, but I think that's an accurate. which is the age-related loss of muscle mass. So the question is, why would that occur? Well, I think it occurs for a number of reasons. A, we also know that doing weights and weight-bearing loads obviously creates demands on the body to build stronger muscle and bone density. So we know that there's a reason why people are losing muscle mass. They're simply not putting their bodies under enough stress or weight to demand the body builds. So that's the first case. And the second, like we said, it's obviously the... People are having low protein diets and also probably a compromised absorption through the gut, due to leaky gut or poor gut health. Which would probably mean that something like an amino acid might actually be an easier thing for those individuals to absorb, possibly. I really do believe so. And I think, again, this is where... an accurate understanding of amino acids. And, you know, I'm no scientist, so obviously we're all standing on the shoulders of giants, do you know what I mean? And keeping our research to the best of our ability from, you know, kind of gold standard research, you know? So, but branched chain amino acids, for example, which is something that has been touted, I would say the research shows almost useless, for example. So people go to the... kind of the chemist and they're thinking they're getting a good protein with a branch chain amino acid, I'd say, well, why bother? Why don't you just go and get a good quality essential amino acid? The actual cost of the products aren't going to be any different. And an essential amino acid supplement actually contains all of the branch chain amino acids anyway. So, you know, it's a much more sensible and viable option. One of the things that I found really interesting, because I had a look at your... the website, Frontier Amino Power. And for those listening, part of the reason I've kept in touch with Al is he's my supplier for Frontier Amino Power. And the website's worth checking out. It is Frontier Amino Power, search it. And it is an amino acid power that Alistair has been involved in developing and bringing to market. That's the entrepreneurial part of the introduction. But you've got a beautiful table there where it talks about protein utilisation. You've got amino power versus eggs versus meat and fish versus whey, soy and plant proteins and other bits and pieces. And that's staggering. For those who are listening and you're curious, go and look this up because the absorption or utilisation of amino power is 99%. And I guess what that's speaking to, compared to eggs, which are at 50% and meat at 30 odd percent, is speaking to the, I guess, the purity and the ease of absorption of these very small building blocks. There's no waste because the body's not... breaking down other proteins there's no loss and it's effectively absorbed just did you want to comment on that outlets yeah well first of all thanks for the shout out i appreciate it um yeah the reason why i initially created that supplement was because like i said about 20 years ago i believe i was kind of in recovery from the vegetarian and the veganism yeah And I wanted to find a way of kind of maximizing kind of protein synthesis, you know. And so I looked around and at the time there was something called the master amino acid. And it was being made in China and it was being kind of sent. It was quite expensive to get. And it was these huge like forced tablet pills, you know. So it was quite an uncomfortable experience to have to get the protein in this way. But I intuitively knew and also from a research perspective, knew this was an amazing product, but didn't seem to really go anywhere. Anyway, many years later, I was thinking of creating a product and I was looking at. kind of animal organs and, you know, and animal foods and finding ways of getting there. And my mind just kind of remembered back to this master amino, you know. And so I look back at the research and it came out, I think it was Italy, with a Dr. Luca Moretti. And again, I'm very proud of this because we really did base this product on like genuine research that happened in the 90s that really was quite significant that most people don't know about. And it was the creation of this thing called the master amino pattern, which was basically these optimized ratios of the essential amino acids that created this kind of master amino pattern, which in short, basically kind of stood for this. way of understanding something called net nitrogen utilization so every time you take a protein source yeah um there is what's called a nitrogen utilization which is basically the ability to utilize all the amino acids with the minimum wastage possible yeah and so the higher the net nitrogen utilization the less the wastage And so as you rightly said, on the website, we've got this approximation of a chart that shows that our product, which is based off the original research, has a 97% to 99% utilization, which is extraordinary, if you think about it. Absolutely. And going back to what we talked about, about muscle wastage in the elderly, or even people who have compromised immune systems, people in the hospital, this kind of stuff. was shown in the research study is people could take this amino power powder without any extra exercise they were developing lean muscle mass yeah so the absorption rate was so extraordinary and the body was so untaxed by it and it was so direct that it was building muscle structure yeah okay you see which is quite something it's extraordinary yeah it really is extraordinary And it's almost like baking a cake by just having the ingredients and not doing the steps involved. Well, yeah. Yes. I mean, it's a good analogy, but it's like baking a cake with the correct ingredients or wondering why you've got a shitty cake when you keep on adding things that shouldn't be in the recipe. Exactly. But this is remarkable. It's literally like having the ingredients sitting on the table and suddenly a cake appears without even having to do any work. It's having all the ingredients available and the body makes muscle because it's just, it's asking to be done. So it's quite extraordinary. Yeah, the ratios don't work. So I jump in, I get excited about it. The ratios literally have to be quite specific within a certain kind of a bandwidth, as it were. Yeah. And it's a very, so these ratios have to be very specific and the amounts of the aminos have to be incorrect ratios and of a very significant amount. So we obviously did our due diligence because my kind of co, one of my co-business owners is a kind of PhD scientist and so he has access to labs. And so we did assays on, you know, popular, you know, kind of amino based supplementation and they're either not. actually an essential amino acid or you know they they're not going to have the net nitrogen utilization you know that a true your formula would have and that is important because you know we know that supplementation is expensive and the truth of the matter is you know i mean i i'm in contact with many people in the industry and certainly in america australia is better because we have a better you know kind of testing and and but america it's all just getting And shipped in from China, very poor quality products, very poor quality amounts. So for the listeners there, whether it be my product or anyone, really do your due diligence, you know, on buying a product, you know, because most of it is pretty crappy. Yeah. Look, and I've got no reason to give you a shout out other than you're a mate and I've known you for a while and you are my supplier of amino acid powder, which is called Amino. and that's the Frontier product. I've been using it for a while. I believe it works. It's extremely easy to consume, very palatable. I think the flavour is great. Whatever the flavour is, it's fairly innocuous. It dissolves very readily. As we were talking previously, I had a few extra bits and pieces, a little bit of magnesium, sometimes a bit of fibre, depending on what... what my area of interest is in terms of biohacking, I'll add a bit of extra to my shake. But one of the things I wanted to ask you about, Al, if we're looking to use an amino powder or an amino acid supplement, how do we use that gram per pound, that half a gram per kilo? How do we calculate that for an amino acid supplement? Look, I wish I could be more scientifically precise than I'm about to. So I have to understand that this is an approximation. And the reason why it's an approximation is due to the things we've said, absorption, the individual's absorption capacity. There are variables. Everyone wants to have a gold standard, but bodies are different and how bodies respond to things are different. But on average, we would say that about six and a half grams of a good quality essential amino acid powder would be the equivalent of 30 grams of whey protein powder. OK, so a nice way of looking at that is imagine you get whey protein powder and you were able to put it through a filter and remove everything other than the aminos. Yeah. You'd be left with about six and a half, seven grams of powder. Does that make sense? So the rest of that powder is milk solid, superfluous excess. Yeah. Different description. How does that relate to, say, a piece of steak or an egg? Well. Again, you know, it depends on how much steak you're eating. But, you know, a 200 gram of steak would probably have around 40 grams of protein, you know, depending on the cut that you have. Yeah. So you can see that, you know, one scoop of a high quality maps based amino powder is, you know, it's nearly competing with 150 gram, 170 grams of steak. Yeah. So. But the way that I personally do it is I think if you're going to bother using an amino acid powder, I would highly recommend not having it with any other protein source because, of course, you're going to get other competing amino acid chains. So that defeats the whole process. The absorption of a good quality amino acid powder takes place very rapidly. It would be between kind of 10 to 30 minutes. Yeah. So highly recommend not having it really with any other protein source. That would be perfect. And if possible, I wouldn't have it with any carbs or fats either. That would be my preference. Why? Well, the original research, because even carbohydrates can have low amounts of protein. You see? Yeah. So the original research by Dr. Moretti, they went out of their way to find the lowest amino acid fruits and vegetables. yet to create a diet so they stripped away you know it was like watermelon it was like iceberg lettuce you know they were really looking at you know at any food stuff that didn't have any protein or any fat and they were using that as their adjunct to the amino uh intake yeah um and they were getting amazing results with weight loss for example you know because i Normally about twice a week, I go on a bit of a 5-2 fasting kind of regime. I'm pretty much, you know, keto carno. But now and again, every month, I might do two days of leaf, for example. Yeah, just I don't know. I just get this sense I'm going to have two days of leaf, you know. And so I'll have a very basic salad. I'll have two very basic salads, just some kind of iceberg lettuce, a bit of cucumber, a bit of avocado. I'll have that twice a day. And I'll have up to six to eight scoops of amino powder. Yep. So what that's allowing me to do is not lose any muscle mass. Yes. Have some food that feels sustaining and voluming. Because I used to fast a lot as a, you know, back in the day. And, you know, when we're fully fat adapted, fasting is very much easier. But even the first day is a pain in the ass. It's only the second day where you're kind of comfortable with it. The first day is always a psychological kind of. you know moment you know and these days i just most of the time can't be bothered to put myself through that so i just have this different way of doing it which is a salad and six to eight scoops of amino and of course i'm in a i mean an almost entire calorie deficit for that day you know the amount of calories from that would be 300 calories or something 400 calories but i but i've got my protein with 400 calories it's wild I'm really glad you raised this because one of the questions I had on my list of questions was to ask about this restricted time eating and limiting how often you eat during the day. And I've flagged this on previous podcasts for the listeners out there, and I do it myself. I tend to have one meal a day. I guess a couple of years ago that was seen as quite an interesting way to regulate sugars, improve metabolic profiles, drop weight. And I sort of did it and experimented with it so that I could advise patients about it and found it actually, for me, worked particularly well. And I think it worked particularly well for me because I noticed that I had a reduction in inflammation, particularly in the joints in my hands. And subsequent reading explains that through microbiome protection, actually. So for me, it's worked very well. I've actually stuck with it. But in very recent time, there's been some counter noise about this sort of restricted eating. one meal a day type approach, particularly for women and particularly because they run the risk of not getting enough protein in. And as we talked about how important that is, that can have longer term consequence. So I guess there's been a little bit of a cloud come over that way of eating. And I guess my question would be, if you are able to... a meal replace somewhere through the middle of the day with a protein or an amino supplement, then presumably you can negate those concerns. I mean, that's what I do at the moment, actually. I will often have a workout of some descript during the day and follow that with exactly the product we've been talking about. And I feel pretty comfortable doing it, but would the science support that and your understanding support that? Well, I think we've got science and then I think we've got emotion and psychology. And I think that they are two very distinct and important factors. So the original word diet came from a Greek word dieta, which means manner of living or way of life. So a true diet has to really be a manner of living rather than a short term thing. The research keeps on changing and I wouldn't want to be arrogant enough to be able to track that. You know, I follow obviously doctors, keto doctors, standard American diet doctors, you know, this kind of stuff on socials and YouTube. And every other week, there's a different story around fasting. Yeah, absolutely. uh you know when i'm in carnivore mode for example most carnivores they don't really care about fasting they just like eat when you want and sometimes you might not eat all day sometimes i'm eating three times a day you know so they're very much more intuitive eating yeah keto people well they're a little bit more like well when you're fat adapted you know you don't really care so you know you kind of get down to well the one thing they do care about actually which i did find out because i often tried to do keto and i failed and i failed because I'd brought into, I knew that you couldn't eat unlimited fat, but I certainly kind of thought, oh, I can probably get away with more fat because there is an argument that it's insulin that causes fat storage. And when there is no insulin present or insulin spikes, then the fat actually gets evacuated rather than stored as fat. So that's the argument for those people who are confused about, well, if you're on a keto diet, surely you can eat as much fat as you want. Well, you kind of can. but you have to be so low carbohydrate, yeah? Because otherwise, as soon as a carb gets introduced, that excess fat will get stored. If there isn't any carbohydrate at all, then some of the research shows that it'll literally just get evacuated out. It doesn't get, you know, stored. So that's interesting, isn't it? Because we start looking at why, going back to the original question about fasting. Well, we can clearly see that fasting from carbohydrate, fasting from pure ketosis, you know, fasting for autophagy, you know, fasting in time restricted, your particular body type. I think there are so many variables for it. I really do. Do you know what I mean? So I would much prefer to design a fasting program for the individual. That's the honest truth. Yeah. Interesting. Interesting. And you're right. There is so much stuff. that comes out on a regular basis around what we should be doing to best look after ourselves. I have to say this time-restricted eating for me has worked much better than I thought it would. It took me weeks and weeks to get used to not having breakfast, but I've become adapted to it now and feel pretty good on it, actually. Could you have a bulletproof coffee or something in the morning? Yeah. I actually started the whole process doing bulletproof coffees. For those who are listening and don't know what a bulletproof coffee is, Dave Asprey made that popular. The idea is you take a coffee and blend some butter. He talks about yak, yak fat basically, but any old butter, green. produced by cows that are fed on grass, not grain. But the idea is you have a coffee basically with a fat hit that carries you through. He also talks about using medium chain triglycerides in the same way. So I did all that for a number of weeks. These days I just have a coffee with a teaspoon of cream. Do that first thing in the morning, then several hours later and 4.30, 5, 6 o'clock I'm starting to think I'd... be pretty happy to have something to eat now. But no, it's worked well for me. Tell me about people might be buying protein supplements that are from animal product or plant product. Is there a difference in that? If you're thinking about these things as building blocks, does it really make a difference other than your own personal philosophical stance? I really think it does. Vegans and carnivores should kind of hold hands. And I think we should all get together and work for better quality products. Yeah, more better quality agriculture and farming. I think there needs to be a meeting in the middle there rather than this kind of battle. But saying that, and I met a lady on one of my last courses who trained with me. And she was a world champion bodybuilder and a vegan bodybuilder. So incredibly impressive. you know and i said what kind of how do you do it and she was like well she used a lot of kind of tofu and soy products and that kind of stuff and i've always said you know to people who kind of laugh because they go how you don't like vegans and that kind of stuff i'm saying oh no that's ridiculous of course everyone you know is an individual but i would always say if you are going to be a vegan you need to be a better vegan build build a better vegan body does that make sense that that you know in the same with anything it's like how do we do it to the best um so obviously Vegans can do it because this woman is living proof of this. Yeah. But, you know, I gave her, you know, some of the aminos and she certainly likes it and recognizes that, yeah, it's going to make her life a lot easier. I would imagine, you know, having this ability as a vegan to have this amino source. So to answer your question very directly, the research seems to show that in this kind of net nitrogen kind of neutral utilization, you know, kind of area that unfortunately, Vegan proteins just aren't absorbed and don't carry across the amino profile as well as meat-based proteins. So what that means is you're going to have to have more of them. So I would say in many ways, you would have to have 60 grams of a plant-based protein, like a pea protein or a rice protein, to every 30 grams of whey protein, just to get the equivalent. actual amount of protein that it says on the tin i don't know how they get away with assays like i think you can get away like i said this is the interesting part of it you can get away with saying it has this much protein as a grammage but if you actually did the assay on the amino amino acid you know profile that would be interesting to me yeah okay all right i'm gonna uh we're gonna wrap up um i did say to you from the very beginning that we try and keep this to 10 or 15 minutes like my standard podcast We've easily gone way past half an hour. And it's an absolute delight too. And it's fascinating because, and I really hope that the people listening are finding this something that they really stop and have a think about. Because I think particularly as we get a little bit older, we need to be aware of getting these important components into our diet for our best health journey. But I want to come back and I want to get this myself. We're talking, and I'll go to, grams per kilogram. We're talking about 0.5 grams per kilogram as what I should be taking. If we said I'm about 70 odd kilos, then I need, if we're talking lean mass, I need about, then I'm about 60 kilos lean, which is about 30 grams of protein. Is that about right per day? You're 60 kilos. I'm about 70 kilos. Knock off the fat. Talk about lean mass. We're talking about overall body weight rather than just 70 kilos. Let's say 70 kilos. So for me, I would double it, put it into pounds. So I'd go about 170, sorry, yeah, 150 pounds. And so I would say 150 grams of protein. Now, if I'm going to get that 150 grams of protein, we talked about 150 grams steak, for example. There's only 30 or 40 odd grams of protein in that, isn't there? Yep. And we're talking about a scoop of amino powder at six and a half grams being about 30 grams of whey protein or about the same as 150 gram steak. So three scoops of amino powder would get me over the line or get me close? No, you would need five. Three fives. So you need five, you need five scoops of a good quality, full, essentially. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. 30, a 30 gram equivalent each so far. Yeah. Okay. Perfect. Everyone get that? As long as you get it. If anyone's curious about getting those numbers, I think I've got it. A scoop of the amino is about. 30 grams of protein and you work it from there. Because remember that we're using standard metrics that everyone uses in the back of a protein tub. I think the most important thing is focus most people in this space. I'm an ex-personal trainer from London. Like I said, I'm retraining as a nutritionist. I follow this adamantly like you do, Warrick. And I think rather than getting bogged down by everything. Most people now are saying focus on protein as your dominant macro. So really try and do your best to hit that protein macro. Even if you're doing it with plant protein or whey or meat or whatever, do that and then just get better at it. Does that make sense? Meet it first and then find ways of improving it. I will actually just, as we wrap up, I really will encourage people to go and have a look at your site. Frontier Amino Power Site. And look at that comparison for amino utilization or protein formation. The bioavailability of these amino acid supplements, and this one in particular that's yours, but I'm sure some of the other amino acid supplements are the same, Al. But this bioavailability really is a great bang for your buck in terms of... trying to get that in because we're talking, we're really talking, I do five scoops of amino powder to get my daily requirement. The alternate would be, well, probably over 500 grams of steak, actually, which is a lot. It is, but I'm not going to in any way claim that I would. build my diet around that i believe supplementation is supplementation and really useful specific outcomes um so like i i take one to two scoops a day that's all i do you know and i'll take it normally i take it actually before and after exercise so that's how i how I do it. I do think that as you get older, you know, or you're putting yourself under significant, you know, exercise, then you would do very well to take a high quality amino acid powder. You know, I think you've got immune concerns, neurotransmitter concerns. So for example, in our product, we have L-lysine, for example, L-lysine in very high amounts. You know, for those of you who have compromised immune systems and are doing things like kind of cold sores and that kind of stuff, I mean, just the amount of lysine in our product is three times the amount of, you know, a standard lysine supplement on the shelf. Does that make sense? Yeah. You know, or things like tryptophan, the one that is great for your mood. Again, a very high quality. And there's about four of us in the market. Most others, I've got to be honest, aren't. There are four of us in the market who I would say we've assayed and are of good quality. The amount is important. Does that make sense? This is fundamental. Just because it says essential amino acid, it's like, yeah, sure, but it means nothing. And the magic ratio is presumably important as well from what you've said through this interview. I really do think so. People massively underestimate the component blocks of an amino. acid essential amino acid and what they can do if we go through it just in 10 seconds do you mean like just 10 seconds you've got all the branch chain amino acids in a uh an essential amino acid you've got lysine you've got tryptophan which is for your mood you've got phenylalanine which is for stress you've got methionine which helps your body detox you've got threninine which is kind of helping the body uh with collagen muscle tissue antibodies mucous membranes you know you a good quality essential amino acid i mean it's There's a good reason why amino means primary in Greek. It means the first. And there's a good reason why it means the first. Look, this has been fantastic. I've really enjoyed talking to you, Al. We've gone back and forth on some of this stuff, but it's an absolute pleasure to have you find some time so we can talk this through and share it because I really do want to get this sort of information out to the people who are listening. I'm going to wrap it up there. Again, thank you so much. Thank you, Mark. It's really a pleasure. And I know I talk, I know I get excited and can't wait to communicate information, but it is exciting. And thanks for giving me a platform and a place to do it. Really appreciate it. Look, I'm excited as well. And genuinely appreciate your time and putting some time aside to share. So for those who are listening, I really do hope you got something out of it. If you do get confused on those calculations, please feel free to reach out to me. As always, if you've got any queries or questions, drop us a line at info at drWarrickbishop.online. And until next time, I wish you the very best. Hope you live as well as possible for as long as possible. Thanks so much for tuning in. Take care and bye for now.
